Catholics and Respect

It would help me in considering your request for a meeting to receive an assurance that you and the AME do not regard opposition to same-sex marriage in itself as a form of prejudice and discrimination, and that you are prepared to say this publicly.

This is from George Hell’s Christmas letters to Australian Marriage Equality.  I blogged about that here and here.

Well, it would seem that the AME have agreed to his demands.


According to Australian Marriage Equality National Convener, Alex Greenwich,

“As the debate on marriage equality intensifies this year, it is important that both sides conduct themselves with maturity, respect, and committ to using truthful and factual arguements”

Mr Greenwich said he hopes both sides can start the debate by identifying common ground and shared values.

Mature? The church, the one that thinks sex is only for making babies? Respect? The church that thinks and says gay people are disordered? Truthful? That god ordained marriage? Factual? Have you read their bible? Arguements? With Catholics? You’re kidding me, they’re not changing for you or Galileo (ok, 500 years).  Shared values?  What a load of holy shit.

It would seem that AME have agreed to give an assurance that they will not regard opposition to same-sex marriage in itself as a from or prejudice and discrimination.

This is despite the AME website under their Case for Marriage Equality saying this:

Exclusion of same-sex attracted people from marriage also sends out the message that discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation is acceptable.

This negative messages is amplified by the fact that, since 85 federal laws were amended to recognise same-sex de facto partners in 2008, the Marriage Act is the only remaining federal law which still discriminates, and because marriage is considered an important  legal and social institution.

The negative message sent out by discrimination in marriage foster prejudice, discrimination and unequal treatment against same-sex relationships in the wider community.

You see, exclusion of same-sex people getting married sends out a message of discrimination, it sends out a message that we are unequal, it fosters prejudice and makes us second class citizens.

And just why does the church oppose marriage between two people of the same sex?  Because it means that the sex between the couple is not open to procreation.  It’s because their bible says that sex between men is an abomination and that people that engage in a bit of backdoor entry must be stoned.  To death.  That’s with rocks, not drugs.

Sure, they don’t come out and say that any more.  In some places people are still hanged for being gay, but not here.  We must be grateful!

This isn’t a two way street here.  The catholics will never agree to same-sex marriage, on any account, ever.  To even consider their point of view as anything other than discriminatory is ridiculous.  They may well say that their point of view is about protecting the family and the sancity of marriage.  They may well say that they don’t hate homosexuals, but just because some PR expert manage to put a spin on it doesn’t change the real meaning of their intent.

The church’s own rule book, CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, has this to say about the gay folk:

Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved1.

We are intriniscally disordered, contrary to natural law and sex between members of the same sex is grave depravity.

But then the clincher, Under no circumstances can they be approved. There you have it.  Not homophobic, not discriminatory, and not flying in the face of our modern understanding of sexuality.

Sex will always be for the catholics between a man and a woman and only with an eye for making babies.  There is no other purpose for it.  Just look at Archbishop Miller in Vancover Canada, the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops released a statement2:

Married people living chastely can have vibrant sex lives. In the relationship between a man and a woman, chastity helps them love each other as persons rather than make each other an object of pleasure or satisfaction. Despite what the media and Hollywood suggest, the value of sexual intercourse does not lie in recreation, or physical gratification. Any physical pleasure should lead toward the ultimate expression of love between husband and wife, the total self-giving of one person to another. Sexual intercourse in marriage can be so intimate that it becomes an emotional, intellectual, physical and spiritual experience. It strengthens and completes the bond of marriage. That is why the sexual act has to be unitive and procreative and why some kinds of sexual activity are not chaste. Though pleasure may be present, some acts are a misuse of sex when they fall short of what God intends.

Archbishop Michael Miller

Another Frock

There’s so much rhetoric here that I just don’t know where to start.  Apart from the fact that me and the love llama have an active sexual relationship, treat each other like objects of pleasure and satisfaction and love it.  We deeply love each other on an emotional, intellectual and physical level.  So there.  Let us get married, oh wait, we can’t in the eyes of the church because we participate in the ‘some kinds of sexual activity are not chaste’ variety, and while pleasure is present there will never be any babies from it, so we are misusing it.  Fuck, it feels nice but.

The ‘Pastoral Letter’ from the Canadians is for young people, they are spreading this vile understanding of human sexuality and marriage to young people.

So what has this to do with Australia?  Well that’s easy, it’s catholic, which means universal.  The church moves as one big virus on the face of the planet.

There will never be understanding or acceptance from the church.  They will never allow same sex marriage, and they will always treat gay people as sinners and unworthy of membership.  They speak of respect and truth and while their words are nice, their meaning is ugly and most unwelcome.

I don’t support AME in this latest endeavour, the church is dictating terms, terms set by men who wear stupid outfits, don’t have sex, don’t have families and have no fucking idea about real life.

They live in a world of bowing and scraping, they use titles like Your Eminence, Your Grace, Father and other self given wanky titles like Your Holiness.  They’re not real, and they don’t deserve our respect.

  2. The Pastoral Letter is intended for young people to tell them that sex is for marriage only, and only to make babies. SOURCE
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4 Responses to Catholics and Respect

  1. Mikey Bear says:

    How soon can we bring forward Pell’s sainthood?

    • Bruce says:

      I’m sure he’s looking forward to spending forever with jesus. I wonder if he wants the baby jesus version or the dead jesus on a stick version.

  2. Mikey Bear says:

    Do you think he uses moist wipes to clean up after his wet dreams, or just lets it all crust over?